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Date: Sun 1 Nov 87 08:27:20-GMT
From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR>
Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #48

Delphi Mac Digest     Saturday, October 31, 1987     Volume 3 : Issue 48

Today's Topics:
     Previous Card. (4 messages)
     re INIT 31 should be enhanced!
     re: Hypercard
     re: Re: Missing deactivate events
     re: Re: editing default window size
     Radio Interference in H20 Town.
     RE: setting screen depth (2 messages)
     MacWrite 4.6 (2 messages)
     color paint ? (4 messages)
     MIDI & Mac II
     RE: MultiFinder
     re: Mac II Crash
     re: Re: YAHQ (Yet Another Hypercard Ques
     Playing Card Software
     re: Password protection
     MacBottom Hard disks
     LaserWriter Distortion (3 messages)
     Blessed folder... (2 messages)
     RE: INFO-MAC Digest V5 #125 (3 messages)
     Laser (2 messages)
     MacDraw page limit
     reRe: International Mac Software Transfe
     TickCount?

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From: NATURAL
Subject: Previous Card.
Date: 17-OCT 19:49 Creative Pursuits

Is there anyway to stop the go previous card option from going to
another back- ground when it reaches the end?

tx.

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From: CHUQ
Subject: RE: Previous Card. (Re: Msg 22898)
Date: 17-OCT 20:50 Creative Pursuits

No. I've found in the stack I'm working on that if you're doing multiple
backgrounds that are modal, you basically have to turn off the
clover-{1234} commands and most of the menu. It doesn[t deal well with
modality.

sigh. What I want to do is find a way to grab those and turn them to my
advantage. My definition of next, for instance. Any ideas?

chuq

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From: STEVEMALLER
Subject: RE: Previous Card. (Re: Msg 22898)
Date: 18-OCT 16:14 Creative Pursuits

Josh

There is no _automatic_ means for that, but it's not hard to cook up a
kludge to make it work. For example, you can do something like this:
(UNTESTED)

    set lockscreen to true
 go previous
    if the bkgnd id is not 1 -- or whatever
      go back
    end if
    set lockscreen to false

See?

     Steve Maller
     Apple Computer

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From: STEVEMALLER
Subject: RE: Previous Card. (Re: Msg 23110)
Date: 28-OCT 11:45 Creative Pursuits

Josh,

I tried this script, and it works just fine. Exactly WHAT are you doing?
Why don't you post YOUR script and we'll compare...

  on mouseUp
    global numCards, firstBG, firstID
    put 1 into numCards
    put the ID of this card into firstID
    put the ID of this bkgnd into firstBG
    set lockscreen to true
    go next
    repeat until the ID of this card is firstID
      if the ID of this bkgnd is firstBG then
        add 1 to numCards
        put numCards
      end if
      go next
    end repeat
    set lockscreen to false
    put numCards && "cards in background ID" && firstBG
  end mouseUp

Ciao,
     Steve Maller
     Apple Computer

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: re INIT 31 should be enhanced! (Re: Msg 22879)
Date: 17-OCT 20:59 Network Digests

 > From: [e-mail] (Christopher Chow)
 > Subject: INIT 31 should be enhanced!

I know at least one person is writing an INIT which handles what yoou
ask for. (It works when you hold the space bar at boot.)

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: re: Hypercard (Re: Msg 22880)
Date: 17-OCT 20:59 Network Digests

 > From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
 > Subject: Hypercard

Why not put an "on newCard" handler in your stack?

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: re: Re: Missing deactivate events (Re: Msg 22881)
Date: 17-OCT 21:00 Network Digests

 > From: [e-mail] (Brian H. Powell)
 > Subject: Re: Missing deactivate events

How can you even _think_ of not allowing DAs?  As I write this, they're
the only way I can multitask.  (And, unlike MultiFinder programs, they
keep running in the background.)  All religious issues aside, you can't
prevent them, unless you prevent FKEYs as well, cos I'm just gonna use
Lofty Becker's DA Key and run DAs anyway.

Umm, how is a DA without a window ever going to give your application a
deactivate event?

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: re: Re: editing default window size (Re: Msg 22881)
Date: 17-OCT 21:01 Network Digests

 > From: [e-mail] (Robert Gardner)
 > Subject: Re: editing default window size

I suggested something similar to your idea of a new resource, but nobody
seemed to do anything with it.  (Programs that derive window size from
the screen are almost always wrong, in my opinion:  the screen of big
monitors is almost always wider than I want my windows.)

(I am basically opposed to the idea of saving window coordinates with
documents.  Windows are just, well, windows on documents. In some
instances, I only need a small window to see certain info, other times
I'm editing the document and need it big. Saving the small [read-only]
size would be a major frustration.)

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From: NATURAL
Subject: Radio Interference in H20 Town.
Date: 18-OCT 00:44 Hardware & Peripherals

Peter...

My novation is on the major fritz again.  the modem that is.  It's
picking up serious interference from that radio station in Waltham,
better than my own stereo (ok, almost).  Anyway, I was wondering if you
were having any kind of similar experience, which I doubt.

These novation modems really bite the big one.  It's too bad 'cause it
really could've been the best.

I guess I'm going to have to send it out there again....

Josh

(Anyone else have one of these babies?)

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From: JOSEF
Subject: RE: setting screen depth (Re: Msg 2110)
Date: 18-OCT 03:03 Programming Techniques

I'm afraid even CopyBits would be far too slow for what I'm trying to
do, but it's an idea, and I'll have to take a closer look before ruling
it out. Yes, i have played with the Monitors cdev, but you see, I wasn't
planning on letting the screen get updated before I do my drawing. I
just want to do whatever QuickDraw does when writing to a window defined
by a BitMap instead of a PixelMap, regardless of screen depth setting.

I know direct screen access is rapidly becoming(if it wasn't already) a
big nono. But I really hate to give up this feature I'm trying to add
just cuz someone has a color monitor.

Joe Sensendorf Farallon computing

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From: FRACTAL
Subject: RE: setting screen depth (Re: Msg 2111)
Date: 20-OCT 00:07 Programming Techniques

   I have done some direct screen access on the Mac II, and can point
out what is involved. Under MultiFinder there is no assurance that the
window you are drawing to is on top and therefore your code _must_
process the visRgn of the window. This is doable, but Apple make life
more difficult by still not documenting the rather simple and basic data
structure.
   The Mac II supports multiple screens, which may be set to different
pixel depths. Each screen has a gDevice record associated with it which
tells the pixel depth, the logical coordinates of the screen, and gives
a PixMap that has the hardware address to draw to. You have to clip your
screen drawing  each gDevice and then do something different based on
each screen's pixel depth (while still processing the visRgn mentioned
above so you don't clobber the image of another window on top of you.
   The proram I worked on (ImageStudio), assumes only one screen and
therefore is not really correct (we may fix that in a later release),
but it does all the rest of the stuff, interprets regions and loads the
pixel depth from the gDevice. To the question of is it worth it, the
answer is yes!!! It's a lot faster than Apple's code (5X for what the
program does). It works with MultiFinder as well, subject to the
program's windows being confined to the menubar screen.
   There is one more difficulty for MultiFinder, the Palette Manager.
This piece of code tries to hide the hardware pixel values you store
into the video RAM from the program so that multiple programs can exists
under MultiFinder. Apple makes life difficult again by not providing a
Palette Manager call to return the hardware index that it has computed
for a given color in the palette (note further that there is a separate
one for each of the screens). It is possible to get around this by
loading the index out of the grafport after setting both the global
gDevice and the palette manager color after every time another program
gets control.
    Tom Hedges, Fractal Software

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From: MACENGLISH
Subject: MacWrite 4.6
Date: 19-OCT 19:27 User Supported Software

Steve,

I'm mad at Apple right now.  I don't know if I should be; you tell me.
For months now all the magazines have said that MacWrite 4.6 is the
latest version.

 So why don't any of the dealers have it?  I went into my Muncie dealer.
She kept my disk for three weeks, and finally said Apple hasn't sent
out the upgrade yet.  I called another dealer who said he thought 4.5
was the latest version.

Why is Apple keeping dealers in the dark?  Why has Apple updated a
product, but not sent it to dealers?  I've heard it's not much of an
upgrade anyway, but still . . .

Debbie

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From: STEVEMALLER
Subject: RE: MacWrite 4.6 (Re: Msg 22944)
Date: 20-OCT 00:18 User Supported Software

Debbie,   (I love your "handle"!)

I think you should insist on seeing the store manager. If this is an
authorized

Apple Dealer and they are making claims that there is no such thing as
MacWrite

4.6 then you should do one of the following:
    1) Look for another dealer.
    2) Call Apple in Cupertino and ask for "Dealer Relations" (I think).
       Register your complaint and ask if there is another dealer in
       your area. [phone]. I think Dealer relations is the right one.
       Or is it Customer Relations? Hmm. Can't remember. Actually,
       it IS Customer Relations. [phone] is the direct #...

Good luck,
     Steve Maller
     Apple Computer

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From: ROWLAND
Subject: color paint ?
Date: 20-OCT 19:04 Mousing Around

Is there a color paint program for the MacII yet ? I thought I saw an
announcement for one recently, but now I can't find it.  One company at
least at the show (MacWorld in Aug) was claiming 30 days to ship, but
I've heard nothing.

Mike Burns

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From: FRACTAL
Subject: RE: color paint ? (Re: Msg 22952)
Date: 21-OCT 01:08 Mousing Around

    Supermac showed something called Pixel paint at Boston MacWorld.
According to InfoWorld they may have to change its name and are supposed
to ship in November. I got a demo from the developers at the show and it
was pretty impressive.
    Tom Hedges, Fractal Software

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From: BMUG
Subject: RE: color paint ? (Re: Msg 22952)
Date: 21-OCT 03:10 Mousing Around

Mike -

Tom didn't even mention the GREAT program that he co-authored, Image
Studio from LetraSet.  It is HOT, and allows incredible stuff with grey
levels and colors on the Mac II.  Amazing detail.

-- Raines Cohen / BMUG

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From: FRACTAL
Subject: RE: color paint ? (Re: Msg 22969)
Date: 23-OCT 03:59 Mousing Around

   Thanks for the kudos. Letraset views ImageStudio as an Image Retouching
program, not a 'Paint Program', but actually you can do some very neat
paint-type things with it. If you patch the 'clut' resource in the settings
file you can even get limited color out of it (but that is not an offical
feature). It is in duplication now and should be shipping around Halloween.
    Tom Hedges, Fractal Software

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: MIDI & Mac II
Date: 21-OCT 21:58 Creative Pursuits

Does anyone know of any MIDI programs that work on the Mac II?  I'd kind of
like a sequencer that makes up for my crummy playing ability.

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From: DWB
Subject: RE: MultiFinder (Re: Msg 22975)
Date: 22-OCT 03:27 Business Mac

One important thing is to stress that folks really should do the install with
installer, not just by copying system files.  Saves effort, because you don't
have to reinstall da's, etc.  Also saves space because only the necessary
patches get put in.  Also makes things work right because you don't wind up
with a Plus trying to run patches which are intended for an SE. Don't know how
much problem the last would cause, but it's possible it could be considerable.

David

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: re: Mac II Crash (Re: Msg 22979)
Date: 23-OCT 01:48 Network Digests

 > From: [e-mail] (Gary Davis)
 > Subject: Mac II Crash
 > Instead, when I clicked Restart  Acta threw up a Save dialog
 > and successfully saved my file before the Mac rebooted.

It's an Acta feature that lets you save your work whenever you quit an
application without first closing Acta.  In technical DA terms, this is called
handling goodbye kisses.  System 4.1 does a much nicer job of shutting down and
restarting, and gives Acta the goodbye kiss.

This is one advantage of DAs (the ability to save info after another program
bombs) that may be lacking from MultiFinder.  (But note that not all DAs handle
goodbye kisses.)

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: re: Re: YAHQ (Yet Another Hypercard Ques (Re: Msg 22980)
Date: 23-OCT 01:48 Network Digests

 > From: [e-mail] (Oliver Steele)
 > Subject: Re: YAHQ (Yet Another Hypercard Question)
 > if you'd wanted to convert a PICT (picture) or TEXT into an ICON you'd be
 > in for some trouble.

Not true for PICTs; just open a new ICON and Paste.

In fact, this is how I convert ICN#s to ICONs.  If you shift-drag around an
ICN# (or ICON) and Copy, you get a PICT on the clipboard.

 David Dunham     "If voting could change the system, it would be illegal.  If
 Maitreya Design   not voting could change the system, it would be be illegal."

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From: FRACTAL
Subject: Playing Card Software
Date: 23-OCT 03:55 Programming

   I am working on porting a Hearts game I wrote 8 years ago to the mac. It was
originally written for a glass TTY on a minicomputer so all the strategy and
score keeping is there but no graphical interface. I have trouble motivating to
do the playing card output stuff, given that it has been done by many others in
public domain and shareware card games. I intend to make this a public domain
program, no even shareware so there is no money issue involved. The program has
been ported to LightSpeed C using its glass TTY emulator and it works quite
well. If anyone is interested in sharing code and resources for playing card
output that would work with Hearts, please let me know. C code is needed, not
PASCAL, it might even be made into a DA instead of an application, although it
would be 40 or 50K.
   BTW, the program plays a mean game of Hearts, shooting the moon, dumping the
queen on the leader. It was written to play any number of computer hands in a 4
hand Hearts game, with the rest played by humans. It might be possible to write
an AppleTalk version that lets 2 or 3 human players complete with 1 or 2
computer players, but the first version will be 1 human versus three separate
computer players. The computer players assume perfect memory of cards played,
but they don't 'cheat' -- look at the other player's hidden cards.
    Tom Hedges, Fractal Software

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: re: Password protection (Re: Msg 23009)
Date: 23-OCT 23:12 Network Digests

 >From: [e-mail]
 >Subject: Password protection
 Don't look too hard, because an INIT can be easily defeated by booting from a
floppy.  Protection would probably have to be built in to the driver (as in the
reviled Hyperdrive).

 David Dunham     "If voting could change the system, it would be illegal.  If
 Maitreya Design   not voting could change the system, it would be be illegal."

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From: MACENGLISH
Subject: MacBottom Hard disks
Date: 24-OCT 21:02 Hardware & Peripherals


Has anyone heard of reliability problems with MacBottom Hard disks, especially
the new HD21 Series?

Debbie

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From: NATURAL
Subject: LaserWriter Distortion
Date: 25-OCT 18:07 Hardware & Peripherals

I can't believe we're the only one to have this problem so I figured I'd check
here...

When printing on a laserWriter on an 11x17 size in MacDraw (not single sheet,
to 8.5x11's) the LaserWriter somehow distorts the pages.  In other words, if
you were to set the drawing size to 2 8.5x11 sheets of paper and drew a box
that spanned both pages and then printed it, if you put the hardcopies
together, they don't match.  Does anyone have a clue on why this might be?

Could it be MacDraw or the printer itself?  We've been 'dealing with it' at
work for more than a year and BusinessLand says it software.  Who knows?

Help.

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From: PEABO
Subject: RE: LaserWriter Distortion (Re: Msg 23069)
Date: 25-OCT 20:59 Hardware & Peripherals

Can you describe exactly how they don't match?

peter

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From: NATURAL
Subject: RE: LaserWriter Distortion (Re: Msg 23072)
Date: 26-OCT 09:22 Hardware & Peripherals

Sure...

One side is lower that the other, so if you were to tape the paper side to
side, you wouldn't have a perfect square.

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From: HALL
Subject: Blessed folder...
Date: 27-OCT 11:37 Programming

I'm sure this has been covered before, but...
Is there any way to change which folder is the blessed folder?  Specifically,
is there any way to switch back and forth between two Systems on a hard disk?

Thanks,
Brian

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From: PEABO
Subject: RE: Blessed folder... (Re: Msg 23091)
Date: 27-OCT 12:14 Programming

Select both the System and Finder at once, move them out of the folder and back
into it, and that will bless the folder.

peter

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From: MACWEEKBOS
Subject: RE: INFO-MAC Digest V5 #125 (Re: Msg 22786)
Date: 27-OCT 13:23 Network Digests

to: Mark Richer <[e-mail]>
Subject: computer insurance

I concluded from the incredibly bad responsiveness to simple inquiries made
to Safeware that it would be a poor idea to insure my equipment with them.

Ric Ford

"Opinions expressed here are my own and not those of MacWEEK, Inc."

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From: PDIB
Subject: RE: INFO-MAC Digest V5 #125 (Re: Msg 23100)
Date: 27-OCT 19:49 Network Digests

I'm insured with Safeware.  I called the local Better Business Bureau and was
told that no complaints had been lodged against the firm in the several years
that they've been in business.  I've had their flier for several years and
finally decided to go with the firm.  My experience with them has been the
opposite of yours.

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From: MACWEEKBOS
Subject: RE: INFO-MAC Digest V5 #125 (Re: Msg 23105)
Date: 27-OCT 21:30 Network Digests

The Better Business Bureau check should be a good indication, but I
'd like to hear from someone who has tried to get payment on a loss...

Ric

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From: SWEET
Subject: Laser
Date: 27-OCT 22:10 Hardware & Peripherals

Hi all. Is there a way on the Laserwriter's Test print out to tell which
version of the Roms are in it? What is the new version's number? Thanks to all.

Chuck....."Sweet"

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From: PEABO
Subject: RE: Laser (Re: Msg 23111)
Date: 27-OCT 22:33 Hardware & Peripherals

The ROM version number is printed in the bottom left corner of the top left
graph.  The new ROMs are version number 3.0.

peter

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From: HOFFMAN
Subject: MacDraw page limit
Date: 27-OCT 22:50 Bugs & Features

I discovered that, when I was trying to print a 24-page document with MacDraw,
it printed the first 10 pages, then decided it was done.  In order to print the
rest, I had to delete the 10 that were printed.  It then printed the next 10,
and so on.

I am using the current version- 1.95, and current System and Finder, and
LaserWriter driver 4.0.

Any ideas?

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From: DDUNHAM
Subject: reRe: International Mac Software Transfe (Re: Msg 23080)
Date: 28-OCT 01:42 Network Digests

 > From: [e-mail]
 > Subject: Re: International Mac Software Transfer
 > someone mentioned a SmartQuotes DA
 I invented "smart quotes" so that you could type naturally, and the Mac would
curve the quotes correctly without you having to worry if they were open or
closed.  I've wanted to know about internationalizing this, but haven't been
able to find out the natural way a German types quotes.  I'd like to find out
(my knowledge of German does not extend to using a German typewriter).

A French user did hack up Acta or miniWRITER so it would generate French quotes
(<< or >>) when he typed the (US) typewriter quote (").  Again, I'm not sure
this would be the natural way to type (probably depends on how Apple did the
keyboard layout).

 David Dunham     "If voting could change the system, it would be illegal.  If
 Maitreya Design   not voting could change the system, it would be be illegal."

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From: INTECO
Subject: TickCount?
Date: 29-OCT 20:22 Programming Techniques

Why is TickCount banned for not being used while an interrupt is on?

Just because it is not updated? I do not think that imes or purges memory...

Uwe

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